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Scahill v Yiannopoulos

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I can understand why Jeremy Scahill backed out of doing HBO’s Real Time – though I think it would have been more about Milo Yiannopoulos‘s connection to Eric Prince rather than his social science rhetoric.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Milo hire Erik Prince or his friends, to protect him?

It is also my understanding that Milo wouldn’t be on the same panel/segment as Scahill, it’s a side interview, correct? Is it just a matter of timing or does that mean any TV show or network Milo graces Jeremy won’t?

If not, his rejection or boycott of Real Time with Bill Maher seems to be a simple protest against Milo being invited to appear on the program, yes?  The confusing parts are his reasons, and he doesn’t really elaborate on them beyond the standard MSM kinda rhetoric. I would like clarification on these “racist anti-immigrant campaign” accusations?

I don’t remember hearing Milo make any type of racist slur, Jeremy cites no instances, and I think there is a difference between immigrants who have gone through the system and immigrants who cut in line ahead of those who patiently waited their turn. I wonder, would Jeremy acknowledge there are differences?

Further, for Jeremy to say that Milo’s words could spark violence against immigrants and vulnerable people, well that can be said about anyone who speaks on just about any topic these days. Is every venue now a theater, and every topic the word fire?

It gives the impression that Jeremy doesn’t think much of the American People, and that’s okay cause neither do I, but Freedom to Speak, Free Speech, is more important, and that’s the risk we take by living in the USA, is it not?

It’s also the most important of all the Amendments, so important it was placed in the First Amendment and right after the non establishment or prohibiting of religion – or as I call it, the ability to imagine and create.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

When you think about the whole bunch, the Amendments that follow are there to basically instruct the government how to leave you alone, but that’s another topic.

Regardless, speech shouldn’t even be a big deal in this country, but it has become more so this last decade and we need to ask the question, why is that?

Without speech, agree or disagree, you can’t have any freedoms and if my speech, or your speech, or Milos speech sets people off on a path towards violence then we need to figure out PDQ why in the US people who CHOOSE to listen to anyone’s speech want to do anyone physical harm?

That is not what the Greeks had in mind, nor the Forefathers of the Nation.

It’s a risk Jeremy Scahill himself takes when he writes about the MIC. There are plenty of people in the Deep State who would like to shut him up; oh, and anyone who says Jeremy Scahill is a coward for not attending a TV show is really an uninformed idiot. Sorry, you need to look into the places Scahill has gone, and the people he has taken on before you call this guy a coward.

Anyway, what is most confusing is the stand Jeremy takes towards vulnerable immigrants. Using that logic, Bill Marher has probably done more to spur vitriol towards vulnerable immigrants – specifically Muslims – than most people on the planet, certainly in the MSM. So why didn’t Jeremy boycott his show long ago? Kind of a double standard, eh?

Stuck in two worlds perhaps – Legacy media vs the Internet and all things Free and Open?

Anyway, Jeremy’s reasons are his reasons, but in the realm of logic and constancy they fall short on this one and his efforts have actually done the exact opposite of what I think his real desires were. He has actually created more of a buzz, more PR, more money and more attention for Milo. [BTW, this is a great example of the differences between Legacy Media vs The Internets.]

Bottom line, the FEDS have chipped away at so many of our other Rights, we all need to be a purest on the issue of Free Speech or nothing else matters.

Sin-Seriously, nothing else matters.
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addendum: 02/20/17
Many people have weighed in on this show, the banter from both left and right were typical in response regarding Milo and Maher and his other guests. However, after watching the program I couldn’t help, but wonder what if Jeremy did the show, made some statement about how he doesn’t agree with anything Milo says, and since Jeremy speaks succinctly and is also a very fast talker he could have said everything and then some about how he felt about Milo in less then 30 seconds. What was missed was an opportunity, an opportunity bigger than the so called moral high ground Jeremy decided to take which was to chastise the MSM for their lack of reporting on Yemen. From Obama, to the Saudis, to the Israelis, to Trump. Such a great and grand opportunity was so sorely missed over what? A gay, right-leaning, white male, who enjoys sex with black men, hates feminists, chides overweight people, and is terrified that Muslims are going to throw him off a roof and behead him? People are being slaughtered in Yemen, the Saudis are bombing farms so the children starve; advice given to them by the Israelis, and the weapons killing these people are all provided by the USA.

Seriously Jeremy, you gave up a giant soapbox opportunity that could have informed the mostly uninformed Bill Maher audience because of a drama-queen named Milo?

sigh…. shakehead
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update – 02/20/17
I don’t think I have ever seen a person destroyed so quickly in my life than this:

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update – 02/21/17
…in clutching pearls –  I listen to both shows -complete- over the weekend and I walked away with a couple of thoughts.

1. I’m convinced that Milo Yiannopoulos was sexually abused as a young teenager, but I also believe he was a very precocious teen – and the reasons for that could be many.

The picture I have in my head comes from listening to him and his friends for almost a year. Apparently, he lived with his grandmother so obviously there were stability issues between mom, dad and home. I had also heard stories that his father was somewhat of a rough and tumble mobster. [for some reason I picture the film Snatch when I think about a portion of his upbringing]. Now the truth in all of that is fairly sketchy because I have absolutely no first hand knowledge. Regardless, if his history is true my experience with kids in these kinds of situation generally command a lot of attention, and they learn how to get it because they are taught that’s how life is done.

Society sends many mixed messages and there’s no doubt that a Catholic upbringing amplifies that mixture. Torn between guilt and the need to be guided, have limits and be wanted places vulnerable young minds, by our standards, in a very unhealthy and unstable place. Some people never quite work through them. Many drink, abuse drugs or commit suicide, we know that for most of modern history this was the fate of many homosexuals. Now clearly Milo craves attention, that’s his coping mechanism, perhaps his addiction, certainly better than drugs I guess. Anyway, there’s a lot there to process and by all means no doubt very complicated.

Milo has made it very clear on a number of occasions that he and all gay men have plenty to deal with, and let’s face it he joined up with a party that doesn’t see homosexuals as a wonderful addition to the club. Can you imagine the look on the NEOCON’s and Mitch McConnell’s face when they got wind that a gay-limey-black-dicksucking-catholic=jew-redcoat would be speaking at CPAC? You could almost hear that turtle-head mumble, “nofuckingway!”

So many people have said Milo is foolish and should just go home and sit with the Democrats where his accessory laden wounded childhood ass belongs. Others would say he’s a cutting-edge, a vanguard, the fountainhead, a trail-blazer for the new USAAAAAAAA, and still others will call him a provocateur, rabble-rouser, and attention whore.

Milo is entertaining, tiresome, probably a hell of lot of work, and might just be too European for most conservatives, but that’s Milo and the reason why people like him, nay love him, is cause he works so hard at being who he is. He’s real, or trying his best to be and that’s what the American people crave, and for most the desire to be real is buried deep down in our DNA. To be who you truly are without care and no physical harm, -to be- once again. We Americans were once real, we were once pioneers and trail-blazers too – now we’re a society full of schlubs, debt-ridden basket-cases, oxy-drugged up, running on empty and going no where fast. I’ve got a ton of clinches to describe American Society if anyone wants more.

But oooh, and aaaah, to have a temperament and think not it offends is a delight, that is true freedom, acceptance and how to build genuine community. Oh PLEASE, let the ISIS hoards have Europe and bring all the Europeans to the new world!.

I have more to say about none of this.
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2. So all that said – I don’t know what’s in Milo’s head or heart, but I know people who have gone through shit and how they deal with it depends on many factors.

How we, the public, in general deal with his words is hard to say.

I don’t think we will care much in the end cause we couldn’t care less about all the people our troops are killing in the Middle East right at this moment. Nor do we care about those we sell weapons to, nor those locked in our prisons for silly charges or for being mentally ill or addicted, nor those who are homeless sleeping rough and the list goes on and on and on and on …

Milo may be regarded as a defective human being, or one who deserves mass sympathy and empathy, he will suffer ridicule and vitriol, he may even end up being this generation’s Larry “Lonesome” Rhodes.

Is he advocating for pedos at any age? I don’t think so, I think he’s probably thought about this topic far more than most and is somewhat toughen by it’s outcomes, he has a thicker skin, wouldn’t you think? After all these tragedies just never seems to end, you fight and then you recoil, you do the best you can after you cry, a lot. What happens in too many of these cases is really beyond imagination. Most people can’t even look – it’s horrible. I did work for a short time with a few victims, I couldn’t handle it, I had to quit. 9 out of 10 case nothing happens, the system doesn’t work and it looks for compromises. You have to be more than just tough.

When you think about this topic and how it’s been approached it’s really not unlike the news we hear when the US bombs a hospital full of children, or when we discovered that the Saudis are bombing farms with weapons we sold to them in Yemen so the people will starve to death, or when those four young boys were playing on a beach near Gaza and were mercilessly gunned down by the Israelis with our tax dollars, or the women who have been raped, even grandmothers, in Europe by refugees who were made that way by their crazy religion and our government’s policies. What a toxic mix that is. Who came up with such an idea and plan?

We hear these thing all the time, we are shocked and sadden, but not surprised and yet we are never really inspired to do anything to stop this murderous abuse – we talk about them, joke about them, and we know these things are wrong and that we should take action, but oh well, what’s for dinner? What’s on TV? What video game should I play tonight?

We all know voting isn’t enough, right? Trump or Congress can say tomorrow morning, “No more war, bring the troops home, now!” We have some identifiable proof that such action actually works – see Vietnam.

But the Middle East, well that’s a volatile wasp nest in the world, and ya know, those people…

Do we think it’s our fault, and make excuses for these actions? We are after all bombing them or supplying the weapons to murder them. Our media no longer shows us the tragedies and sufferings. Why is that you think?

And what about the children, our children, are we doing them a disservice by not hunting down and locking up every creepier than thou pedo? Why aren’t we banishing them after time served, deporting them to a desert island never to be heard or seen from again, never to cause harm to the most vulnerable in our civilized society? Why haven’t we sent that strong message of absolute caring for our children? Is it cause, as long as it’s not my kid?

Oh God, who even wants to or have to think about that shit, much less deal with people who have suffered through it and the mistakes they make that always follow? Not me, how about you?

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Milo’s Full Press Conference (2/21/17)
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“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” -Leo Tolstoy
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…continued updates…

Roosh V makes an argument – 02/22/17

My goodness Aunty Em, I didn’t think this topic would still be going on, but here we are…

A few points in response to RooshV. First, nice shirt. 2nd, soon as I escape Liberalland, which feels more like Hotel California, and looks a lot like Scarfolk I will make real vlogs. If you want to help me escape drop a key or two on my Patreon or bitcoin, like a ring full of them one will eventually fit the lock and set me free.

Re Milo: If Milo pushes back too hard now they will accident him, and he doesn’t have any real martyr status yet.

Roosh is absolutely right about Breitbart.

Re Trump: Trump has a history of capitulating in business, he sees it as part of “The Deal” just look at some of the people he has appointed. Further, his real loyalty is to family first/last, his narcissism extends to, ‘be glad it’s me and not Hillary, I didn’t have to do this ya know.’

Re Spencer: Spencer has problems with homosexuals, they can’t breed in the traditional family way. He joins the NeverTrumps on this front, along with the segregationists and separatists. btw, there are people who think Spenser should replace Milo at Breitbart.

Interesting in this Milo escapade, trip, slip, perhaps downfall; though I think he has phoenix blood in him, that we also see all the splinter groups in the GOP very clearly now. Before we saw the conservatives and anti-Trumps, but in this hot mess we see who and how they identify.
(do you hate that term identify, sorry).

Republicans: Libertarian, Libertarian-Isolationists, Traditional Conservatives, Cuck-servatives, Reagan-Democrats, RINOS, Never-Trumpers, Far-Right, Alt-Right, Neo-Right, NEOCONS. (did I miss any?)

In contrast we have the so-called liberals. The left is united under the Democrats, from Antifa and BLM to the traditional blue dog democrats, but ONLY through hating Trump. The real persuasive power is in the TRUE Progressives who hate the leaders of the Democrats.

In the end Roosh wins the argument on what is most important, free speech, that IS the clarion call.

I do believe that we have now reached the end of this chapter, but we’ll see.

…umm… well… not yet

02/22/17
Molyneux Deconstructs Milo
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02/22/17
Sargon of Akkad

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02/28/17
The Curious Case of Milo Yiannopolous

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We Are At War
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